Comments on: Dear Ms. Newkirk, http://www.smiteme.net/2008/10/18/dear-ms-newkirk/ Heathen. Vegan. Feminist. Wed, 21 Dec 2011 23:54:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Dear Ms. Newkirk, » V for Vegan: easyVegan.info http://www.smiteme.net/2008/10/18/dear-ms-newkirk/comment-page-1/#comment-86219 Dear Ms. Newkirk, » V for Vegan: easyVegan.info Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:26:52 +0000 http://www.smiteme.net/2008/10/18/dear-ms-newkirk/#comment-86219 [...] (Crossposted from.) [...] [...] (Crossposted from.) [...]

]]> By: easyVegan.info » Blog Archive » And round and round we go. http://www.smiteme.net/2008/10/18/dear-ms-newkirk/comment-page-1/#comment-82533 easyVegan.info » Blog Archive » And round and round we go. Sun, 11 Jan 2009 00:27:37 +0000 http://www.smiteme.net/2008/10/18/dear-ms-newkirk/#comment-82533 [...] photographers have posed her that irks my feminist sensibilities. Though not as bad as, say, the Suicide Girls series, Ms. Kardashian is somewhat pornified in this ad: here, her body is turned away from the camera, so [...] [...] photographers have posed her that irks my feminist sensibilities. Though not as bad as, say, the Suicide Girls series, Ms. Kardashian is somewhat pornified in this ad: here, her body is turned away from the camera, so [...]

]]> By: Kelly http://www.smiteme.net/2008/10/18/dear-ms-newkirk/comment-page-1/#comment-63536 Kelly Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:01:36 +0000 http://www.smiteme.net/2008/10/18/dear-ms-newkirk/#comment-63536 I wonder how involved Ms. Newkirk is in the day-to-day operations at PETA, whether she signs off on all their campaigns, etc. Because the more she talks, the harder it is to defend even those campaigns which, on the surface, don't seem all that sexist to me (i.e., "Breast is Best"). And, as a member of the so-called "second wave," her attitude is kind of baffling; "feminists" from her generation seem more likely to be "anti-porn" than "pro". So the result is that you get otherwise "sex positive" "third wavers" condemning (all of) PETA's nude campaigns while, say, featuring naked torsos on their own book covers, while a "second waver" defends the gratuitous use of nudity and the objectification of women. Like, huh!? Scare quotes because I'm not crazy about any of these terms, and also because Ingrid doesn't strike me as very feminist. I wonder how involved Ms. Newkirk is in the day-to-day operations at PETA, whether she signs off on all their campaigns, etc. Because the more she talks, the harder it is to defend even those campaigns which, on the surface, don’t seem all that sexist to me (i.e., “Breast is Best”).

And, as a member of the so-called “second wave,” her attitude is kind of baffling; “feminists” from her generation seem more likely to be “anti-porn” than “pro”. So the result is that you get otherwise “sex positive” “third wavers” condemning (all of) PETA’s nude campaigns while, say, featuring naked torsos on their own book covers, while a “second waver” defends the gratuitous use of nudity and the objectification of women. Like, huh!?

Scare quotes because I’m not crazy about any of these terms, and also because Ingrid doesn’t strike me as very feminist.

]]> By: Alex http://www.smiteme.net/2008/10/18/dear-ms-newkirk/comment-page-1/#comment-63534 Alex Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:27:51 +0000 http://www.smiteme.net/2008/10/18/dear-ms-newkirk/#comment-63534 I tend to agree with what's being suggested here: PETA decries the "thing-ing" or assumption of property-status of nonhuman animals, while, in effect, given the context of asymmetric power relations - the gender structure - in our society, where women are assumed to be of-less value than men (their sexualization, e.g.), exploiting women as such seems to violate PETA's very premises. It seems like Ms. Newkirk A) challenges speciesism, which is explicitly anti-oppression, while B) accepting the assumption that women "enjoy being sexual things," which belies the former challenge to oppressive relationships. I tend to agree with what’s being suggested here: PETA decries the “thing-ing” or assumption of property-status of nonhuman animals, while, in effect, given the context of asymmetric power relations – the gender structure – in our society, where women are assumed to be of-less value than men (their sexualization, e.g.), exploiting women as such seems to violate PETA’s very premises. It seems like Ms. Newkirk A) challenges speciesism, which is explicitly anti-oppression, while B) accepting the assumption that women “enjoy being sexual things,” which belies the former challenge to oppressive relationships.

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