OK, I’ll bite. If “Heaven” is so awesome, isn’t a prospective mom actually doing her child a favor by aborting it and sending the fetus to Heaven 75 years ahead of schedule? If you think about it, there’s all kinds of dirty sinning these potential people can engage in on earth, all of which might blow their chances at an eternity spent with THE LORD; not so if mom aborts the little bugger. Which begs the question: Shouldn’t all loving Christian mothers flush out their wombs on a bi-monthly basis?

A Foetus has a head and arms and legs and a brain and can seem to be in a joyful state etc so is that not an unborn child? Have a look at the pictures of some aborted foetus. They look like children.

I know mothers can be in a dire situation, i know they can be pressurised to have the abortion by family , husbands, society etc but abortion is not the answer. And if they do have an abortion they need to recognise the truth and ask God to forgive all the people who were involved in that process. And to trust that God forgives them totally and the Child is with Him and that the Child loves the mother. They need healing. I know women have abortions because of rape, but killing the child wont avenge the rapist will it? No it will only add guilt to the girl and make another victim in the whole thing, a dead victim. Why should anyone have the right to decide if another person should live? Our lives are our most precious possession. Nobody has a right to take that from us, nobody has a right to assault us or to ever treat us badly.
Thanks for taking the time to reply,
Ex Atheist

No Jo, after reading your comment, I find myself wishing she had aborted me, if only to spare me from your nonsensical rambling.

By the by, fetuses are not children. Given that this isn’t a difficult concept to grasp, I don’t understand why you godbags insist on conflating the two.

“”"”"”The fact that we are in some sense responsible for the existence of a being does not give us the right to treat that being as our resource (((((Or reject it as our resource or property?))))). Were that so, then we could treat our children as resources. After all, they would not exist were it not for our actions–from decisions to conceive to decisions not to abort. And although we are granted a certain amount of discretion as to how we treat our children, there are limits: we cannot treat them as we do animals. We cannot enslave them, sell them into prostitution, or sell their organs. We cannot kill them. Indeed, it is a cultural norm that bringing a child into existence creates moral obligations on the part of the parents to care for the child and not exploit her.”"”"”"”"

Gosh Woman and the next paragraph talks about us not having the right to treat CHILDREN as our property. That site you recommend seems to contradict what you say. Maybe i am not giving myself enough time to read it.
About the God thing someone once said “I hate Jesus- that’s given” but they don’t hate God! They only hate a person a huge amount of people believe to be God. God doesn’t exist of course you are absolutely right, 70,000 people who were in fatima on the 13th of October in 1917 would agree with you. Padre Pio will agree with you, Saint Bernadette’s 129 year old corpse will agree with you, Saint Catherine Laboure ’s 132 year old Corpse will also agree with you one day, my Mother will agree with, my eyes will agree with you, Sr Briege mcKenna (once wheelchair bound with Arthritis will agree with you, (How many amazing cures she has witnessed and been an instrument of) Marion Carroll who was nearly paralysed with MS for 17 years will agree with you, (Maybe she was only acting for 17 years)
All the people who have visited Medjugorje and seen extraordinary things will agree with you. You know humans are the only animals that kill their young. In Nature mothers will nearly fight to death to save their young but human animals will kill their young.
If you were in the third world would you eat meat? Do you think the starving people there should be allowed to kill animals to survive? In a Hurricane situation would you save the animals first? Would you save any people at all? perhaps save the women and let the rest perish? !!!
I don’t know, i just don’t know. I do not agree with animal cruelty or with killing anything especially children. Squatting is hardly the right term to describe pregnancy. Did you squat in your mother’s womb? If you could have objected to your mother wanting to abort you would you if she had wanted to?

Regarding my atheism, I don’t “hate” God, because there’s no point in hating something that doesn’t exist. Rather, I hate that people use their religious beliefs as a means of forcing their silly superstitions on others, myself included. And no, the fact that a majority of earthlings believe in God, is not evidence of his/her/its existence. Prior to the Germ Theory of disease, people blamed sickness on God, witches and the Jews; following your line of logic, this means that God, witches and the Jews did in fact cause disease until the late 1800s, when the Germ Theory gained acceptance. Kinda silly, no? The popularity of an idea says nothing of its validity.

As far as abortion and animal rights, your concern trolling is showing. Let me guess - you eat meat, no? I bet you also think God put animals on earth for our pleasure. So, fuck off. You don’t give a shit about the welfare of animals, nor do you give a shit about the welfare of women. You know, those women your precious feti are squatting in. Those women whose rights you want to violate in the name of potential babies.

I’m not going to waste my time arguing with you; however, if anyone would like to know how I reconcile my pro-choice beliefs with my animal rights philosophy, go read this FAQ by Gary Francione.

And Joe, please take any further inquiries to the Finally, a Feminism 101 blog. I have neither the time nor patience to deal with your woman- and animal-hating stupidity.